An interview well worth listening to. Mr. Martin provides perspective on events current and historic that seldom is heard these days when opinion seems more important than fact. I particularly appreciated his comments on the value of his time as a novice reporter at the Associated Press. Reminded me of my brief period after college as a reporter on the Saratoga Springs Saratogian. It helped set my compass for the career in intelligence that would soon come. Reporting news and collecting intelligence have their similarities and demands.
My jaded view (which blew my professor of political geography or some-such thing away about fifty years ago): War is a demographic adaptation to the land.
Regarding David C. Martin, it bothers me that Nosenko-loving / Angleton-and Golitsyn-hating Cleveland C. Cram spoke highly of him.
In my humble opinion, the sooner we realize that Yuri Nosenko was a false defector, sent to CIA in Geneva in 1962 by Sun Tzu-based Department 14 of the SCD, to discredit what recent true-defector Anatoliy Golitsyn was telling Angleton (and briefly Bruce Solie*) about possible penetrations of the intelligence services of the U.S. and its NATO allies, the better off we'll all be.
*Solie, a mentor (along with Kim Philby), exclusive confidant, and mole-hunting boss of father figure-requiring Angleton, was very likely a KGB "mole" in CIA's mole-hunting Office of Security. John M. Newman (a former high-level Army Intelligence analyst and NSA officer) has shown is his 2022 book, "Uncovering Popov's Mole," that, in response to GRU Colonel Pyotr Popov's (allegedly) telling his case officer, George Kisevalter, in West Berlin in April 1958 that he had recently heard a drunken GRU colonel brag that the Kremlin had all the specifications of the U-2 spy plane, Solie convinced Angleton that the mole must be in the Soviet Russia Division, and they probably sent Lee Harvey Oswald, a former Marine radar operator with U-2 experience, to Moscow in 1959 as an ostensible "dangle" in a (unknown to Angleton) planned-to-fail hunt for "Popov's Mole" (Solie) in the wrong part of the CIA.
If you read Newman's book, disregard his claim that Sergei Papushin was a true defector (he wasn't -- even gullible Sandra Grimes intimated as much and "useful idiot" (imho) Milt Bearden had his doubts about him), that Oswald was a Ukrainian (sic) KGB agent when he (truly) lived near a KGB training school in Minsk, that some high-level military officers killed JFK because he refused to nuke Moscow and Peking in 1963, and that they somehow duped Oswald into framing himself, Khruschev and Castro for the assassination.
Just concentrate on what he has to say about Solie, Nosenko, Tsymbal, Gribanov, Kochnov, Edward Ellis Smith, James McCord, and Leonard V. McCoy, et al ad nauseam.
Maybe there's hope for Newman yet -- after all, he no longer accuses Angleton of being the evil, evil mastermind of the JFK assassination, and he did dedicate his book to my hero, Tennent H. "Pete" Bagley.
Read my Wikipedia article on Tennent H. Bagley when you get a chance.
An interview well worth listening to. Mr. Martin provides perspective on events current and historic that seldom is heard these days when opinion seems more important than fact. I particularly appreciated his comments on the value of his time as a novice reporter at the Associated Press. Reminded me of my brief period after college as a reporter on the Saratoga Springs Saratogian. It helped set my compass for the career in intelligence that would soon come. Reporting news and collecting intelligence have their similarities and demands.
Thanks, Colin. Very good comment.
New to SPYTALK,
I just listened to the Podcast with Stein and Martin. Very Interesting.
"Life in the Wilderness of Mirrors......"
From this Podcast gives a journalist summary view of Intelligence matters from
1945 to the most recent War In Ukraine as Martin states
"One of the Most Incredible Things"
"You could not have Imagined"
Well History has a bad habit of repeating itself and
the new population is hell-bent on making exactly
the same mistakes of another war in Europe as Martin and Stein state.
"Ground War In Europe" "My God Tank Wars In Europe"
"Casaulty Figures are .... Just ... Stunning"
"We fully do not appreciate the Brutality of this War"
"Over a half a million young men killed or wounded in the course of a year and a half"
"That is just .......... Mid-Evil"
"What Drives Me More Is The War In Ukraine"
"Horrible Kind of Stuff ..... all of it ..... just Mindblowing......"
The last statement was the almost the end of the Interview. I hope people listen
to this Interview a realize the seriouness of the "US Involvement" in
another Endless War in Ukraine.
Stein states at the End of Martin Interview
"They Knicknamed you Run Silent Run Deep because of your Style"
and term used with Submarines.
I hope you all understand the US Intelligence only gives you what they
want you to know and report on which is usually NOT what is really going on.
Alot of young Russian and Ukraine Boys are being killed daily.
I have walked down Missile Aisle hundreds of times on the Ohio, Michigan and
the Florida. This is indeed very very serious.
Howard Walther, Santa Barbara CA
My jaded view (which blew my professor of political geography or some-such thing away about fifty years ago): War is a demographic adaptation to the land.
Regarding David C. Martin, it bothers me that Nosenko-loving / Angleton-and Golitsyn-hating Cleveland C. Cram spoke highly of him.
In my humble opinion, the sooner we realize that Yuri Nosenko was a false defector, sent to CIA in Geneva in 1962 by Sun Tzu-based Department 14 of the SCD, to discredit what recent true-defector Anatoliy Golitsyn was telling Angleton (and briefly Bruce Solie*) about possible penetrations of the intelligence services of the U.S. and its NATO allies, the better off we'll all be.
*Solie, a mentor (along with Kim Philby), exclusive confidant, and mole-hunting boss of father figure-requiring Angleton, was very likely a KGB "mole" in CIA's mole-hunting Office of Security. John M. Newman (a former high-level Army Intelligence analyst and NSA officer) has shown is his 2022 book, "Uncovering Popov's Mole," that, in response to GRU Colonel Pyotr Popov's (allegedly) telling his case officer, George Kisevalter, in West Berlin in April 1958 that he had recently heard a drunken GRU colonel brag that the Kremlin had all the specifications of the U-2 spy plane, Solie convinced Angleton that the mole must be in the Soviet Russia Division, and they probably sent Lee Harvey Oswald, a former Marine radar operator with U-2 experience, to Moscow in 1959 as an ostensible "dangle" in a (unknown to Angleton) planned-to-fail hunt for "Popov's Mole" (Solie) in the wrong part of the CIA.
If you read Newman's book, disregard his claim that Sergei Papushin was a true defector (he wasn't -- even gullible Sandra Grimes intimated as much and "useful idiot" (imho) Milt Bearden had his doubts about him), that Oswald was a Ukrainian (sic) KGB agent when he (truly) lived near a KGB training school in Minsk, that some high-level military officers killed JFK because he refused to nuke Moscow and Peking in 1963, and that they somehow duped Oswald into framing himself, Khruschev and Castro for the assassination.
Just concentrate on what he has to say about Solie, Nosenko, Tsymbal, Gribanov, Kochnov, Edward Ellis Smith, James McCord, and Leonard V. McCoy, et al ad nauseam.
Maybe there's hope for Newman yet -- after all, he no longer accuses Angleton of being the evil, evil mastermind of the JFK assassination, and he did dedicate his book to my hero, Tennent H. "Pete" Bagley.
Read my Wikipedia article on Tennent H. Bagley when you get a chance.