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I’m quite honored, if not entirely verklempt, that the former head of FBI counterintelligence would have me on his wildly popular The Bureau podcast to talk about my journey from folk musician to Army Intelligence case officer to journalist. But there it is.

Frank Figliuzzi asks good questions, and a lively discusion ensued on a wide range of topics, including about how the intelligence workforce has changed over the decades, from the all-in, 24/7 cold warriors to Gen Z homebodies.

Hit the tweet below for the promo. Or go right to the podcast here at MSW Media, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Frank Figliuzzi @FrankFigliuzzi1

Spies are us: What makes a good spy? Is it different now than a generation ago? Join my discussion with Jeff Stein @SpyTalker, founder and editor-in-chief of @talk_spy. Check out the promo below, then click this link for the intriguing discussion - link.chtbl.com/TheBureau

5:55 PM ∙ Feb 1, 2022

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