This week: Jeff talks with former CIA counterterrorism analyst Aki Peritz about “the largest counterterrorism investigation in history,” which foiled a truly wild 2006 terror plot by Pakistani British Muslim extremists to bring down multiple transatlantic airliners.

And Jeanne talks with Anna Puglisi, Senior Fellow at Georgetown's Center for Security and Emerging Technology, and Michael German, former FBI agent and Fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice, about the unfair and unproductive targeting by the FBI of scholars in the United States with ties to China.

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