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The inaugural edition of the SpyTalk podcast is out! I hope you’ll join Jeanne Meserve and me this week and every week for a discussion of news in the world of spies and counterspies. Find it wherever you get your podcasts.

Today, Jeanne talks with former NSA director and Cyber Command chief Mike Rogers about the devastating SolarWinds hack and more. And Washington Post investigative reporter Joby Warrick recounts to me how the CIA recruited the head of Syria’s poison gas program. We think you’ll also be amused by his response to my question about the legendary Deep State.

Look for it on Apple or wherever you get your podcasts. Or just click here. Enjoy!